Germany v Rep of Ireland

Noel King's rather odd-looking line-up beaten 3-0 in Cologne

Carl O'Malley Fri, Oct 11
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  • 18:42

    Ye what!?

    Noel King must have been baffled by Jogi Low’s claim this week that Ireland won’t change no matter who the manager is, considering he has spent most of his brief tenure as caretaker boss dismantling some of the uglier aspects of Trapttoni’s legacy.

    King, for instance, made a point in his first week of attending as many matches as Trapattoni did in five-and-a-half years (pedants, don’t look that up), he made it clear in his second press release (naming the squad) that he “spoke to a lot of the players”, most pertinently the three or four Trapattoni had long since ostracised, and he then said he would not be employing 4-4-2, because he hadn’t used the system for years.

    King has gone out of his way to be what Trapattoni was not, there is no way this performance tonight will mirror a Trapattoni gameplan, whether that’s a good thing or not remains to be seen, but it certainly adds a bit of interest to tonight’s match, from which there is little to be gained in terms of qualification for Brazil 2014. We’re not going and that’s that.

    Trap, of course, named his team the day before the game, because he saw no reason to keep from the rest of the world what it knew was coming. He, like Jogi, believed Irish players can only play one way and the only variable within that was how well they played it.  

    King has only just named his first side and we’re still none the wiser.

    Republic of Ireland (v Germany): Forde; Coleman, Delaney, Kelly, Clarke; Whelan, Gibson; McCarthy, Wilson, Doyle, Stokes

    Make of that  what you will but I’m told there is furious scratching of heads going on in the press room of the Rhein Energie Stadion as we speak. You could make an number of plausible formations out of that one, but most notable, in terms of personnel, are the returns of Darron Gibson, Anthony Stokes and Kevin Doyle.

  • 18:43
  • 18:47

     That could be anything - a 5-3-2, a 4-5-1, a 3-5-2, whatever – it’s ambitious, I’ll give him that.

    But no Wes Hoolahan! Sack King!

  • 18:51

    It’s probably fair to say King agrees with the German manager, to a point, after Low said Irish players will “fight until they fall over”, like some sort of knuckle-dragging orcs of middle-earth.

    “I believe in Ireland. The spirit and skills of the players – their never say die attitude. Everybody is aware of that trait in our squad. That’s the starting point.”

    That was how King signed off his first press release as Ireland manager. It’s telling in its simplicity. His predecessor, he seems to be saying (in my opinion, of course, and for the purposes of this long-winded intro), did not believe in the squad, maybe he valued their “spirit” but not their “skills”; King recognises the “never say die attitude”, like everyone else, but unlike many he thinks that’s where the potential begins and not ends.

    Of course, he could be completely deluded and we might get humped tonight. It’s a funny ol’ game, Saint!

  • 18:52
  • 18:53
    Yikes, Whelan on the right of an 'attacking' three? It's bold!
  • 18:56
    Whatever happens tonight, even if it's another 6-1 hiding, it will have to be exceptional to top the 2-0 defeat Northern Ireland have just suffered in Azerbaijan, in which Jonny Evans was sent off for a ridiculously petulant kick out at one of the hosts.
  • 18:59
  • 19:01

    It really is quite an endorsement for Stokes. The Celtic striker could't get a whiff of competitive international football for the last six years. Well, he got 10 minutes against San Marino in Feb 2007.  

    Now he's starting up front against the third best team in the world at a venue where they haven't lost since 1935.  

  • 19:04
    Tony O'Donoghue on RTE has just endorsed that formation tweeted by our own Emmet Malone. He, apparently, got the nod from Kinger, himself.
  • 19:07
    Dunphy's straight in, feet first, claiming the line-up, Whelan's inclusion on the right in particular, is "nonsense", while it's the worst Irish starting defence "ever".
  • 19:09

    Liam Brady's not sure at all, at all, about that formation, nor is the "senior analyst" John Giles.  

  • 19:13
    Brady is glad to see Gibson back in the side. He reckons the Everton midfielder is Ireland's best if he's on his game.
  • 19:24
    Germany's team is a little more familiar, funnily enough.  

    Germany: Neuer, Lahm, Mertesacker, Boateng, Jansen; Khedira, Schweinsteiger; Kroos, Ozil, Schurrle; Muller
  • 19:24
  • 19:31
    Those line-ups are the same, in terms of formations,  so for Whelan read Toni Kroos, for McCarthy read  Mesut Ozil and for Doyle read Andre Schurrle. 

    Now take a deep breath and have a dhrink!
  • 19:35
  • 19:36
    It's a bit like comparing personnel from the two teams. Logan's a poor man's David Hasselhoff, and they love the Hoff over there.
  • 19:37
    Mark Lets see if Frau Merkel will enjoy the Irish performance
  • 19:42
    Logan's time to shine, as he belts Amhrán na bhFiann. He has more make-up on than the four in the studio combined. The Ireland team looks petrified.
  • 19:46
    We're almost underway. Ronnie Whelan has no idea "where the goals are going to come from".

    Germany, Ronnie
  • 19:48
    We're off and "Ireland are struggling already", says Ronnie, as Germany just pass it around them with ease until Jansen fires it behind from out wide when Mueller was calling for it in the box. 
  • 19:49
    Ball goes long to Stokes and wins the header unchallenged and flicks it on to Neuer. Interesting that he wasn't challenged there, they just let him jump.
  • 19:50
    Ozil appears to playing up front, in the 'false nine' role, which means he isn't play up front ... if you know what I mean.
  • 19:51
    Doyle being targeted on that left wing by long balls from deep for Ireland, somewhat like Samaras when playing behind Stokes for Celtic in Europe.
  • 19:52
    Ozil curls one well wide after Lahm puts Doyle on his backside in the Irish box by dummying a cross before teeing up the Arsenal man.
  • 19:54
    Smashing ball from Gibson to Stokes, who cuts inside his man and then just fails to set up Whelan. Gibson wins it back and Doyle shoots narrowly wide. Corner Ireland that comes to nought.

    Lovely play though, out of nowhere.
  • 19:54
    8 minutes gone
  • 19:56
    Doyle getting joy against Lahm in the air but Germany back on the attack and the win a corner through Jansen.
  • 19:56
    Forde gathers well.
  • 19:57
    1-0 Germany
  • 19:59
    Stokes retained possession but his pass across the pitch was nicked by Lahm who fed Khedira. His shot took a nasty deflection off Clark and bobbled past Forde. Awful goal to concede.
  • 19:59
    Goal came after 12 minutes
  • 20:00
  • 20:01
    McCarthy wins it high up the pitch but Gemrany tidy it up with ease again.
  • 20:03
    Coleman wins a throw!!

    We have re-evaluated what constitutes success tonight

  • 20:03
    Stephen Kelly completes pass to Marc Wilson!!!
  • 20:05
    Ireland win a throw in high up the pitch, Doyle concedes a free. 

    Elsewhere, Nicklas Bendtner has scored for Denmark against Italy. It's scoreless between Sweden and Austria.
  • 20:06
    Quite ana audible rendition of Fields of Athenry ringing out in Cologne. Sure, der de best in de wurdld!
  • 20:07
    Basty Fantasty Scheweinsteiger tries to dink one over the top but there's a bit too much on it.  Doyle wins another header but Ireland can't keep possession up that end of the pitch.
  • 20:08
    22 min:  Schurrle gets in behind Ireland on the left flank but his low cross is put behind by Coleman. 

    The corner is cleared as far as Boateng and his shot hits Gibson and is out for a corner.
  • 20:09
    This one is cleared but against Ireland on the back foot and this time Delaney concedes the corner.
  • 20:10
    Ozil's ball is volleyed by Schurrle but back to Ozil. Germany pass it around a bit and the Schurrle shoots over. Decent  five minutes of defending from Ireland.
  • 20:12
    Schurrle muscled out of it by Coleman at the backpost. The German wants a penalty but there's nothing in it.
  • 20:12
    Wilson robbed on the edge of Ireland's box and Kroos fires over. Sloppy from the Stoke man, there. Should have cleared it after the pass from Stokes.
  • 20:13
    Stokes, to his credit, has held the ball up well a few times, though his pass for the first German goal was poor.
  • 20:13
    28 min: Kroos volleys well over again.
  • 20:17
  • 20:17
  • 20:19
    Austria take the lead in Stockholm. Mark Harnik after 29 minutes.

    The table looks like this right now. 
  • 20:19
  • 20:20
    All Germany, even Mertesacker looks elegant.
  • 20:21
    If Germany score after this bout of possession, it could be a record.
  • 20:21
    Schurrle's header is batted away by Forde.!! Great save, after sumptuous play from the homeside.
  • 20:22
    Stokes caught offside, but he wasn't, y'know.
  • 20:22
    36 min gone
  • 20:23
    Schurrle looking dangerous for Germany, as in more dangerous than the rest of them, who look very dangerous themselves.
  • 20:23
    Including Mueller!!!,
  • 20:24
    His shot is tipped over by Forde, another fantastic save from the keeper after Mueller and Ozil combine.
  • 20:24
  • 20:27
    Ireland push very high up the pitch, a brave move, but leaves them open as well and Jansen gets a shot off after Germany get in behind Coleman and co but Forde saves well.
  • 20:28
    I say well, but it was one of the easiest saves he'll make all night, but sure he did it, and fair play to him.
  • 20:30
    Anthony Pilkington won't be involved tonight or on Tuesday for the Kazakhstan game. He's injured and will return to Norwich tomorrow.
  • 20:30
    A minute to go to halftime and considering the possession Germany have had, it's looking ok.
  • 20:32
    Schweinsteiger slices one badly after Clark's header falls at his feet. Poor effort and a let off for Ireland, who have a free in now.
  • 20:34
    Stokes with a complete 'freshy' at the backpost after Ireland hit the bar from a header from Gibson's free, not sure who it was yet but will find out.

    Stokes watched it drop and six yards out completely missed his kick.
  • 20:34
  • 20:34
    Nic Still more exciting than the English snooze game
  • 20:41
    That was Clark's header that hit the bar, but the lads in the studio are merely highlighting why it should have been a hiding already.
  • 20:41
    nellie Germany look far from invincible to me......but it would help if ireland didn't run away everytime a German with the ball came at them
  • 20:42
    That's actually a cunning ploy to distract and confuse the opposition.
  • 20:43
    It's like those flares aircraft set off to avoid being hit by heat-seeking missiles. Or, so I'm told.
  • 20:47
    Dunphy:  "Kevin Doyle is kinda playing as a left-back ... which is kinda mad."
  • 20:47
    whitwerdba Would you not play a winger on the wing?
  • 20:48
    I have a feeling that's the plan in the second half. I can't see Doyle staying there.
  • 20:48
    46 min:  No changes yet, though
  • 20:50
    Stokes gets a shot away and fires it narrowly wide. Bright start by Ireland.
  • 20:50
    Neuer saves again from Stokes after a good ball from Gibson. Corner Ireland.
  • 20:51
    McCarthy blazes over after the corner was headed clear. Lively stuff from Ireland.
  • 20:52
    Robbie Keane cannot believe Ireland's bright start to the second half.
    Robbie Keane cannot believe Ireland's bright start to the second half.
  • 20:54
    Germany have woken up a bit and Kelly cuts out Lahm's cross from the right.
  • 20:54
    Corner Germany. From Ozil, but it's out for another corner. Clark hanging out of Khedira there.
  • 20:56
    Amazing ball from Whelan to Stokes, who hares off on the break and Neuer misses his kick but forces Stokes wide. Irishman has an open goal from a tight angle but fires it high and wide from the touchlihne, much to the disgust of McCarthy who was arriving at the backpost.
  • 20:58
  • 21:00
    Schurrle cuts inside Coleman to get a shot away but it's past the far post. The German bench looks a little concerned with how this second half has started.
  • 21:01
    Doyle fouled by Khedira within Gibson's ranger, perhaps.
  • 21:01
    Nope, crossed for Delaney but his header is tame and easily gathered.
  • 21:02
    Sweden have equalised, it's 1-1 in Stockholm. Martin Olsson the scorer.
  • 21:03
    Goal Germany!! Schurrle!

    A dinked pass from Toni Kroos is controlled by the Chelsea man with his back to goal. He's onside because Kelly is daydreaming in defence and he turns to fire it past Forde. 
  • 21:04
    Irish-in-DDorf What happened to the "commentary"? By the way - German Radio commentators are talking about the "Boys in Trouble" instead of the "Boys in Green"........would be nice to see Ireland shut them up!!! ; )
  • 21:05
    Fingertips from Forde save Ireland again. Ronnie Whelan says if Ireland didn't have him it would be "six or seven".
  • 21:06
    Darren Old looking irish line up????explain
  • 21:06
    "Odd looking"
  • 21:08
    64th minute now, Ireland's early promise in this half has evaporated.
  • 21:09
    Germany stroking it around again and Ireland are chasing shadows. Lahm, Khedira, Kroos, Jansen, Schurrle ..... Jansen, off Kelly and out for a corner.
  • 21:10
    Mueller offside as his header flies just wide. Kelly extremely close to playing him on that time as well.
  • 21:12
    England are 1-0 up against Montenegro, thanks to Wayne Rooney (48')
  • 21:13
    Wilson somehow retains possession despite slipping and sliding all over the place under pressure, ball booted clear by Forde, Ireland have no way of keeping the ball out of their half at this stage and King needs to change something soon.
  • 21:15
    Stokes caught one in the gob from Khedira. He's not happy, but Belgian ref Serge Gumienny isn't very sympathetic.
  • 21:16
    71 minutes gone as Boateng feeds Schurrle, who looks for Thomas Mueller at the backpost but his effort is saved by the flailing limbs of Forde.
  • 21:18
    Neuer saves from Stokes and Jansen clears off the line as Doyle closes in.

    Lovely move by Ireland, good turn and shot by Stokes too.
  • 21:18
    Delaney blocks at the other end from Ozil.
  • 21:18
    Nellie Come on Ireland if you get one you will get three !!!!!!!
  • 21:19
    Hmmm, y'reckon?
  • 21:20
    Lovely turn and shift through the gears from Wilson, who feeds Doyle but his cross is way to deep for Stokes.
  • 21:21
    76 min:  Kroos shoots across Forde, who saves well.
  • 21:21
    Irish-In-DDorf Carl - are you related to Dunphy by any chance? ; )
  • 21:21
    No, why?
  • 21:22
    Jansen fouls Whelan. Free in Ireland. Stokes does well and backheels to Coleman who wins the corner.
  • 21:24
    Corner fired to Darron Gibson on the edge of the box for the big wind up and volley. Ambitious. And ridiculous, as Gibson misses his kick and all the players who made their way up for the corner traipse back unfulfilled.
  • 21:25
  • 21:26
    Another fine save from Forde, this time from Khedira, whose final act before being replaced by Max Kruse is to shoot low across the Irishman's goal.

    Boatent denied by the post from the corner.
  • 21:27
  • 21:27
    It's a very good question, actually. Why has King not changed it? It''s been a much better second half but fresh legs would be a help.
  • 21:28
    84th min: Kruse's shot deflected for a corner.
  • 21:28
    whitwerdba Great use of the bench
  • 21:29
    Montenegro have got one back at Wembley. 2-1 to England as Schurrle is caught offside and Mario Goetze prepared to replace the Chelsea man.
  • 21:29
  • 21:31
    Ozil slides one just wide from the right after a neat pass from Lahm.
  • 21:31
    Irish-in-DDorf Ref subs....maybe King was impressed by Trap´s management style. Why doesn´t he go for it - whether you lose 2:0, 3:0 or 4:0 doesn´t really matter so why no go for broke?
  • 21:31
    Michael Germany were expecting to be getting goals easier.
  • 21:32
    Germany make their third change as Sidney Sam replaces Mueller.
  • 21:35
    Great break from Coleman, who shows Boateng a clean pair of heels before delivering a beaut of a ball to Stokes, whose control isn't great but his shot is well saved by Neuer
  • 21:35
    Whelan's cros from the corner is flicked goalwards by Clark but agaoin Neuer saves,
  • 21:36
    That adventure has cost Ireland because on the break Sam fed Ozil and the wee man lifted it over the flailing Forde brilliantly. 3-0 Germany
  • 21:38
    That's it, all over. Strange line-up from King, stanger decision not to change things at any stage, but a performance with some promise nonetheless.  

    Forde was excellent.
  • 21:39
    Dunphy thought the line-up was "awful" and "tactically it was a shambles". 

    "Illiterate, it did not make sense, like bad grammar."
  • 21:40
    We'll have a match report from Emmet Malone soon and a birra reaction. Thanks for reading. Stay tuned.

    "We need to get a real manager", concludes Dunphy.
  • 21:40
    whitwerdba Like trap before , how the hell can you think its a good idea to play a striker on the wing.
  • 21:42
    Brady criticises King for damage limitation tactics. Sitting back and hoping for the best. Exactly what the last guy did, which Brady wasn't so quick to jump on.
  • 22:25
    Irish-In-DDorf That was basically a German B Team. If they had had all of their first-choice players, the result would have been even uglier! Forde played a blinder!
  • 22:28
    Interim Ireland manager Noel King

    “The third goal was a killer, it looks really poor now, at 3-0. In terms of ourselves, I thought we acquitted ourselves well, I thought we were tight, we were compact. They had a lot of possession obviously, that was the plan, we had to counter. I thought in countering we created five or six really good chances so you have to be happy with that.

    “Other times we didn’t counter as well as we could. They are a very good team. Maybe I could have made changes. Maybe when we had the corner you could have taken it short and settled for two, but that’s ridiculous.

    “If we scored from the last corner it would have been 2-1 and I think everyone would have been happy with that.

    “When you play Germany they are going to be working hard for the entire game. I thought that’s what we did. The deflection is unfortunate for the first goal. The second goal we vacated the backline which nobody did intentionally but they vacated and left if for a nice chip and a goal and the last one was just hard to take.

    “But overall in terms of application, in terms of making progress the boys tried very, very hard, I couldn’t make a change because I was happy with the way we were. And we were creating chances.

    Overall, I’m not too displeased. I’m sick about losing and I’m sick about the scoreline. Them boys have really tried hard for Ireland and they can be proud of themselves tonight.

    Robbie (Keane) would have started, there’s no question, we looked at Anthony (Pilkington) but once his injury became obvious, there was nothing we could do about that. I don’t want to make any excuses, we had a smashing bunch of players out there, playing a top team and unfortunately they conceded a goal with a deflection, the first one.

    “As the game wore one I think we might have got more frustrated. We kept in the game until the 89th minute.  It was 2-0 until the 89th minute and they cleared one off the line ... few minutes before that Anthony  Stokes had a chance to score, we had another chance to score at 2-0. We get back to 2-1, and as far as I’m concerned we kept the game alive for 89 minutes and then boom it’s gone.” 
  • 22:29

    Man of the match David Forde

    “It’s definitely one of my best games ever, it was one of those nights for me, but it’s disappointing to lose, I’d rather not be man of the match.

    “It’s always going to be a very difficult night, they had a big goal, a big target to achieve, to get to a world Cup. The manager’s come in this week, and we’ve had to work on the team.

    “I thought we put in a good performance and we created chances.  If we scored it’s a different story just before halftime and we conceded quite early in the second half and they go lucky before the game. You could look at some different things but I thought we done well.

    “Noel (King) has come in and done a fantastic job, he’s done very well this week.”

  • 22:29
    Captain Séamus Coleman 

    “I think we can take some positives tonight and when we are at home to Kazakhstan we can show how good we are on the ball and maybe do what Germany did to us at times tonight.”
  • 22:56
    Corner I like your Irish Team. Great Supporters . Great Attitude. Greetings from Germany
  • 22:57
    Thank you, Corner, or should I say Ecke?!

    Here's Emmet Malone's match report
  • 23:14
    Corner Ja Ecke in Deutsch. Credit where Credit ist due.